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> <channel><title>Comments on: How Will the Semantic Web &#8220;Think&#8221;?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.michellesblog.net/social-media-and-society/how-will-the-semantic-web-think/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.michellesblog.net/social-media-and-society/how-will-the-semantic-web-think</link> <description>Michelle Greer, Web Marketing Strategist</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:36:00 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator> <item><title>By: Zoujiaofang</title><link>http://www.michellesblog.net/social-media-and-society/how-will-the-semantic-web-think/comment-page-1#comment-2193</link> <dc:creator>Zoujiaofang</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 05:26:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
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isPermaLink="false">http://www.michellesblog.net/?p=170#comment-815</guid> <description>(sorry, the link is unintended,  it should read &quot; . . . is the keystone of the World Wide Web&quot;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(sorry, the link is unintended,  it should read &#8221; . . . is the keystone of the World Wide Web&#8221;)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Igor Goldkind</title><link>http://www.michellesblog.net/social-media-and-society/how-will-the-semantic-web-think/comment-page-1#comment-814</link> <dc:creator>Igor Goldkind</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:23:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.michellesblog.net/?p=170#comment-814</guid> <description>I found this comment and blog because I use Google Alerts to inform me of new mentions of reference to the semantic web.  Google Alerts aren&#039;t &#039;thinking for me&#039; nor do their notices provide me any guarantee as to the integrity or reliability of the information they direct me towards.  However, they do get and receive my attention.And that, at the end of the day, is what the currency of the web is about: eyeballs on screens; data that summons our attentions, both individually and collectively.One could argue that Google&#039;s entire business model is built on a foundation of the numbers of eyeballs on their data (your screen, your browser; their data).The idea of reliability or &#039;Truth&#039; introduces a philosophical tangent  to the web in general and the semantic web specifically.  If I may I be so bold as to throw my hat into the discussion,  I would assert that it&#039;s &#039;relevance&#039; not &#039;reliability&#039; that is the motor driving the semantic web.Tim Berner-Lee strew the seeds of semantic development nearly six years ago as a call to answer a problem: that of organising the  (even then), rapidly unfolding mass of data being published on the web into more useful and accessible data structures that would still maintain the strong democratic ethos that is the keystone of the www.The answer to that call to action came from development teams from Stanford to Cambridge (as well as Manchester, Liverpool and Oxford) who through submissions through the w3c reached a loose consensus on  standards for meta formats (Resource Description Frameworks); as well as a structure for ontologies (OWL) .  What is referred to as the semantic web is not a killer application nor a replacement mark up language but a consensus on a approach to making the existing data on the web more searchable, more accessible, more &#039;useful&#039; by being more relevant.  &#039;Relevant&#039; in terms of the inquiries, the questions that we pose.Michelle&#039;s point about Google placing Knol pages ahead of Squidoo pages on search results, as Knol is owned by Google is precisely what semantic development is poised to take on.    Currently, Google controls the hierarchy of relevance for data on the web.  Not because they are evil and power mad but because so may of us use them so often.  And we use Google because Google is &#039;useful&#039; and serves our interests.It that sense there is no &#039;thinking outside of bias&#039; because we are biased by the themes of our interests that determine what we pay attention to.  We can be however, swayed by the data that at least appears to be more relevant to our interests and in that sense Semantic is more useful because it more finely discriminates the relevance of data published on the web.
The Semantic Web will only add an extra dimension of accessibility to the data that is already being published, it won&#039;t be able to determine reliability, &#039;Truth&#039; or political bias any more than Google does now.But it should make our answers more relevant to our questions.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this comment and blog because I use Google Alerts to inform me of new mentions of reference to the semantic web.  Google Alerts aren&#8217;t &#8216;thinking for me&#8217; nor do their notices provide me any guarantee as to the integrity or reliability of the information they direct me towards.  However, they do get and receive my attention.</p><p>And that, at the end of the day, is what the currency of the web is about: eyeballs on screens; data that summons our attentions, both individually and collectively.</p><p>One could argue that Google&#8217;s entire business model is built on a foundation of the numbers of eyeballs on their data (your screen, your browser; their data).</p><p>The idea of reliability or &#8216;Truth&#8217; introduces a philosophical tangent  to the web in general and the semantic web specifically.  If I may I be so bold as to throw my hat into the discussion,  I would assert that it&#8217;s &#8216;relevance&#8217; not &#8216;reliability&#8217; that is the motor driving the semantic web.</p><p>Tim Berner-Lee strew the seeds of semantic development nearly six years ago as a call to answer a problem: that of organising the  (even then), rapidly unfolding mass of data being published on the web into more useful and accessible data structures that would still maintain the strong democratic ethos that is the keystone of the www.</p><p>The answer to that call to action came from development teams from Stanford to Cambridge (as well as Manchester, Liverpool and Oxford) who through submissions through the w3c reached a loose consensus on  standards for meta formats (Resource Description Frameworks); as well as a structure for ontologies (OWL) .  What is referred to as the semantic web is not a killer application nor a replacement mark up language but a consensus on a approach to making the existing data on the web more searchable, more accessible, more &#8216;useful&#8217; by being more relevant.  &#8216;Relevant&#8217; in terms of the inquiries, the questions that we pose.</p><p>Michelle&#8217;s point about Google placing Knol pages ahead of Squidoo pages on search results, as Knol is owned by Google is precisely what semantic development is poised to take on.    Currently, Google controls the hierarchy of relevance for data on the web.  Not because they are evil and power mad but because so may of us use them so often.  And we use Google because Google is &#8216;useful&#8217; and serves our interests.</p><p>It that sense there is no &#8216;thinking outside of bias&#8217; because we are biased by the themes of our interests that determine what we pay attention to.  We can be however, swayed by the data that at least appears to be more relevant to our interests and in that sense Semantic is more useful because it more finely discriminates the relevance of data published on the web.<br
/> The Semantic Web will only add an extra dimension of accessibility to the data that is already being published, it won&#8217;t be able to determine reliability, &#8216;Truth&#8217; or political bias any more than Google does now.</p><p>But it should make our answers more relevant to our questions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mahesh CR</title><link>http://www.michellesblog.net/social-media-and-society/how-will-the-semantic-web-think/comment-page-1#comment-805</link> <dc:creator>Mahesh CR</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:52:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.michellesblog.net/?p=170#comment-805</guid> <description>Truth is subjective. The semantic web will only augment our ability to discern truth from the mass of information.Practically speaking, within its circumscribed limits of influence the semantic web will allow insights to be gleaned and automatic actions to be performed on behalf of its human sponsors.To depend on machines, the semantic web or the One or whatever, to infer truth will be a non-starter.What the machine can do is to do a pattern analysis, coupled with the idea of semantic understanding, and arrive at an approximation of the right position, if it can be formulated as a proposition with surrounding facts. Like a spam filter weeding out crap, this &#039;untruth&#039; filter would parse out assertions that disprove the initial proposition and associated facts.That said, notions of &#039;rightness&#039; are so convoluted and tangled within the self-interests of humans that any attempt to disembody it will be within the realm of impossibility.Mahesh CRs last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/VagrantMuse/~3/477253018/maheshcr&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Links for 2008-12-06 [del.icio.us]&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth is subjective. The semantic web will only augment our ability to discern truth from the mass of information.</p><p>Practically speaking, within its circumscribed limits of influence the semantic web will allow insights to be gleaned and automatic actions to be performed on behalf of its human sponsors.</p><p>To depend on machines, the semantic web or the One or whatever, to infer truth will be a non-starter.</p><p>What the machine can do is to do a pattern analysis, coupled with the idea of semantic understanding, and arrive at an approximation of the right position, if it can be formulated as a proposition with surrounding facts. Like a spam filter weeding out crap, this &#8216;untruth&#8217; filter would parse out assertions that disprove the initial proposition and associated facts.</p><p>That said, notions of &#8216;rightness&#8217; are so convoluted and tangled within the self-interests of humans that any attempt to disembody it will be within the realm of impossibility.</p><p>Mahesh CRs last blog post..<a
href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/VagrantMuse/~3/477253018/maheshcr" rel="nofollow">Links for 2008-12-06 [del.icio.us]</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul Barton</title><link>http://www.michellesblog.net/social-media-and-society/how-will-the-semantic-web-think/comment-page-1#comment-774</link> <dc:creator>Paul Barton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:16:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.michellesblog.net/?p=170#comment-774</guid> <description>Is the web the last place of free speech or is that even being hampered. The only trouble is free speech is indiscriminate and can cause untold harm if what is said can be misunderstood - and guess what everything can and will be misunderstood. Some will even read this and think i&#039;m for regulation - which i&#039;m not. We need to teach people to think and reason for themselves rather than believe everything they read or hear is true. My over riding question is this &quot;this is what i&#039;ve learnt so far - what more can i learn in the next 3 months/3 weeks/3 days/3 hours?&quot;
Keep on learning and keep on asking why and the truth will come out. For example the cure for cancer is already known but not enough people are asking the right questions.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the web the last place of free speech or is that even being hampered. The only trouble is free speech is indiscriminate and can cause untold harm if what is said can be misunderstood &#8211; and guess what everything can and will be misunderstood. Some will even read this and think i&#8217;m for regulation &#8211; which i&#8217;m not. We need to teach people to think and reason for themselves rather than believe everything they read or hear is true. My over riding question is this &#8220;this is what i&#8217;ve learnt so far &#8211; what more can i learn in the next 3 months/3 weeks/3 days/3 hours?&#8221;<br
/> Keep on learning and keep on asking why and the truth will come out. For example the cure for cancer is already known but not enough people are asking the right questions.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: gregorylent</title><link>http://www.michellesblog.net/social-media-and-society/how-will-the-semantic-web-think/comment-page-1#comment-773</link> <dc:creator>gregorylent</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 14:07:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.michellesblog.net/?p=170#comment-773</guid> <description>just a cooler filing system that relates meaning(s) ... my bet is it will be in chinese, which has far more meaning per character than english, is already the second largest web language, with a smarter economy, profitable and more creative web businesses, and all your children will be studying chinese from the first grade so that they can play with the big boys ...but as to raising character,  creating wisdom, no, none of that will happen .. it will be the same banality and inanity and ignorance as before</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a cooler filing system that relates meaning(s) &#8230; my bet is it will be in chinese, which has far more meaning per character than english, is already the second largest web language, with a smarter economy, profitable and more creative web businesses, and all your children will be studying chinese from the first grade so that they can play with the big boys &#8230;</p><p>but as to raising character,  creating wisdom, no, none of that will happen .. it will be the same banality and inanity and ignorance as before</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ed Richardson</title><link>http://www.michellesblog.net/social-media-and-society/how-will-the-semantic-web-think/comment-page-1#comment-772</link> <dc:creator>Ed Richardson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:40:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.michellesblog.net/?p=170#comment-772</guid> <description>Its a debate that is only further emphasised by the number of comments that you&#039;ve received at the bottom of your post.The web, as with many other forms of media, is often driven and then in turn delivered, in response to mass demand.Web 3.0 should improve the ability to find related information, but as with the current state of the web, further research and investigation should be taken before following a specific train of thought.Again, going back to the mass demand statement, in turn the search algorithms will only further emphasis any false &quot;rumour&quot; due to the nature of us as humans and our interest in &quot;popular rumour&quot;.So for those of us, that know how to pursue an information search and confirm the results Web 3.0 should be a very effective leap forward.But for those following gossip, it will only lead to further gossip and hearsay, but then what do those people want if not more gossip? People buy tabloids because that&#039;s the content/copy they want to read, the web is no different.It is what we make of it, well not specifically &quot;we&quot; but you catch my drift. Corporation such as Google will always spin their take on a matter as much as a newspaper might hold more weight with specific B2B relationships and political allegiances on its editorial stance.Ed Richardsons last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.digital-constructions.com/blog/2008/12/hunt-for-smart-phone-hots-up.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hunt For Smart Phone Hots Up&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a debate that is only further emphasised by the number of comments that you&#8217;ve received at the bottom of your post.</p><p>The web, as with many other forms of media, is often driven and then in turn delivered, in response to mass demand.</p><p>Web 3.0 should improve the ability to find related information, but as with the current state of the web, further research and investigation should be taken before following a specific train of thought.</p><p>Again, going back to the mass demand statement, in turn the search algorithms will only further emphasis any false &#8220;rumour&#8221; due to the nature of us as humans and our interest in &#8220;popular rumour&#8221;.</p><p>So for those of us, that know how to pursue an information search and confirm the results Web 3.0 should be a very effective leap forward.</p><p>But for those following gossip, it will only lead to further gossip and hearsay, but then what do those people want if not more gossip? People buy tabloids because that&#8217;s the content/copy they want to read, the web is no different.</p><p>It is what we make of it, well not specifically &#8220;we&#8221; but you catch my drift. Corporation such as Google will always spin their take on a matter as much as a newspaper might hold more weight with specific B2B relationships and political allegiances on its editorial stance.</p><p>Ed Richardsons last blog post..<a
href="http://www.digital-constructions.com/blog/2008/12/hunt-for-smart-phone-hots-up.html" rel="nofollow">Hunt For Smart Phone Hots Up</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Danny</title><link>http://www.michellesblog.net/social-media-and-society/how-will-the-semantic-web-think/comment-page-1#comment-771</link> <dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:52:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.michellesblog.net/?p=170#comment-771</guid> <description>&quot;How will the semantic web distinguish what is popular versus what is right? &quot;In itself, in general it can&#039;t. But what it can do is help people make such decisions. Right now it&#039;s possible to use Semantic Web technologies to enable provenance tracking and allow statements regarding trust.For example, the DIG blogs (http://dig.csail.mit.edu/) allow comments only from people the bloggers have asserted they know (through the bloggers FOAF files).See also Tim Berners-Lee&#039;s &quot;Oh Yeah?&quot; button suggestion from a few years ago: http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/UI.html#OhYeah</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How will the semantic web distinguish what is popular versus what is right? &#8221;</p><p>In itself, in general it can&#8217;t. But what it can do is help people make such decisions. Right now it&#8217;s possible to use Semantic Web technologies to enable provenance tracking and allow statements regarding trust.</p><p>For example, the DIG blogs (<a
href="http://dig.csail.mit.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://dig.csail.mit.edu/</a>) allow comments only from people the bloggers have asserted they know (through the bloggers FOAF files).</p><p>See also Tim Berners-Lee&#8217;s &#8220;Oh Yeah?&#8221; button suggestion from a few years ago: <a
href="http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/UI.html#OhYeah" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/UI.html#OhYeah</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: keo</title><link>http://www.michellesblog.net/social-media-and-society/how-will-the-semantic-web-think/comment-page-1#comment-695</link> <dc:creator>keo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:19:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.michellesblog.net/?p=170#comment-695</guid> <description>Great post m8, looking forward to more posts like this, so i bookmarked you ;)keos last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://weboz.iam.ba/submit-blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link feed - submit your blog to get better page rank !&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post m8, looking forward to more posts like this, so i bookmarked you <img
src='http://www.michellesblog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>keos last blog post..<a
href="http://weboz.iam.ba/submit-blog/" rel="nofollow">Link feed &#8211; submit your blog to get better page rank !</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: tim hoang</title><link>http://www.michellesblog.net/social-media-and-society/how-will-the-semantic-web-think/comment-page-1#comment-578</link> <dc:creator>tim hoang</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:30:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.michellesblog.net/?p=170#comment-578</guid> <description>it&#039;s an interesting debate and what it ultimately boils down to is whether the Web can think for itself when humans struggle with many of the issues. I think the Semantic web will not be this all encompassing entity - more like a gradual step by step that makes searches (or whatever) more relevant as time goes on. It&#039;ll be evolution not revolution</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s an interesting debate and what it ultimately boils down to is whether the Web can think for itself when humans struggle with many of the issues. I think the Semantic web will not be this all encompassing entity &#8211; more like a gradual step by step that makes searches (or whatever) more relevant as time goes on. It&#8217;ll be evolution not revolution</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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